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#1 Post by silverstrom » Mon Jul 18, 2016 11:35 pm

Started a new project today.

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Re: New Project

#2 Post by kpke » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:18 am

Hopefully you have your priorities straight and that is garage/shop space. I'll bet it is. :smt003

What is the square footage?
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Re: New Project

#3 Post by silverstrom » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:50 am

It is Ken.

26 x 34. Also a 26 x 16 concrete parking pad up front. The concrete work will be finished this week. The builder will be here in about 3 weeks. 3 days to build the garage. Heat and hydro after that and then I'll fill it with expensive distractions.

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#4 Post by 2smoke » Tue Jul 19, 2016 1:33 pm

Looks great!
Long overdue. What kind of heat are you going with?
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#5 Post by silverstrom » Tue Jul 19, 2016 2:35 pm

2smoke wrote:Looks great!
Long overdue. What kind of heat are you going with?
Propane. Cheap to install and cheap to operate year round.

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#6 Post by silverstrom » Tue Jul 19, 2016 10:09 pm

Parking pad is done. Garage pad will be finished Wednesday.

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Re: New Project

#7 Post by tacky1 » Tue Jul 19, 2016 11:35 pm

Nice job, Id love a proper workshop...
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Re: New Project

#8 Post by MK » Wed Jul 20, 2016 3:21 pm

Interesting build - you guys don't use ice walls ?
I mean they'd stiffen up the plate and reduce deformation.
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#9 Post by RuZty » Wed Jul 20, 2016 5:16 pm

MK wrote:Interesting build - you guys don't use ice walls ?
I mean they'd stiffen up the plate and reduce deformation.
In Canada, at least in Ontario, the building code allows you to build a garage or storage building on a floating slab. If there is loading beyond a certain point such as a second floor, or if it's a dwelling, you have to have a poured foundation that goes below the frost line, which is what I think you are referring to. I am not a builder so this is a fairly loose explanation, but the foundation adds cost and the floating slab requirements generally prevent it from breaking up.

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Re: New Project

#10 Post by silverstrom » Wed Jul 20, 2016 6:14 pm

There is 2 feet of compacted 5/8 stone under the most of the pad. The footing is 12 inches thick. It isn't going anywhere.

The gravel sits on top of what is mostly rock. Bedrock here is 3 feet. Above the bedrock is more limestone than soil. You can't stick a shovel in the ground here. If you want to go deeper than 3 feet you need heavy machinery and explosives.

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#11 Post by 2smoke » Wed Jul 20, 2016 8:14 pm

Very nice :smt023
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#12 Post by RuZty » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:51 am

I'm sure you've already considered everything but it's less hassle to go all out on electrical up front than add it later, i.e.. decent panel size, welding outlet, compressor outlet, extra 110 circuits and plenty of lighting, even if you won't use it all at first. Radiant tube heaters are nice for the work area, you can keep the main temp set low and feel nice and warm at your bench without having to heat the whole shop up.
Your comment about bedrock reminded me of a someone I knew in Bracebridge who had a granite floor in half the basement, it went up at a 30 degree angle to the side wall.

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#13 Post by silverstrom » Thu Jul 21, 2016 10:08 am

RuZty wrote:I'm sure you've already considered everything but it's less hassle to go all out on electrical up front than add it later, i.e.. decent panel size, welding outlet, compressor outlet, extra 110 circuits and plenty of lighting, even if you won't use it all at first. Radiant tube heaters are nice for the work area, you can keep the main temp set low and feel nice and warm at your bench without having to heat the whole shop up.
Your comment about bedrock reminded me of a someone I knew in Bracebridge who had a granite floor in half the basement, it went up at a 30 degree angle to the side wall.

Thanks Russ. Yes, I agree. A 100 amp panel and lots of electrical outlets, including a 30 amp and 50 amp. Also a connection for the generator to power the house if needed, although I suppose I could cheat and use the 30 amp receptacle. I'd rather do it properly the first time.

My house sits on bedrock. When they were compacting the gravel a few days ago I could feel every hit in the house. If they drill a water well a kilometre away I can feel it here. A couple of years ago they blasted for a dug well about 500 meters from here. We really felt that.

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Re: New Project

#14 Post by MK » Thu Jul 21, 2016 2:50 pm

Next time I'd build a garage I'd certainly plan a good insulation for walls, roof, door AND floor.

In my man-cave I started completely without, but even in mild 0 deg C outside it was only 5 deg inside (= too fu..ing cold to work). A small 1.5 kW electric heater had no real effect and after checking the energy dissipation I found that I needed about 20-25 kW in that state !

After adding 60 mm insulation on the outside walls, 80 mm at the roof and 20 mm at thd door, I'm down to about 6kW. A 5kW triple phase heater needs about 1 h to add 5-10 deg now.

Even the thinnest 20 mm insulation on the floor would reduce the needed output to about 2kW.

But I guess I'm not telling something new to a Canadian citizen?
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Re: New Project

#15 Post by silverstrom » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:46 pm

It drops to -40C here through the winter. We know how to insulate and keeping the garage warm won't be a problem.

The pad is finished. 26 x 50 now.

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