Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#286 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:11 pm

Straycat wrote: Mon Jun 13, 2022 8:06 pm yes, I put them on wet. I put most of them on wet. I use water, with 2 drops of soap liquid and a splash of iso Alcohol as my wet applicator.

In some countries, the Rothmans logos for the upper fairing, the fender and the tail cowl along with the Rothmans words for the lower fairing were not applied by the factory for those particular markets. Tobacco advertising was prohibited in some regions. In other countries they were provided but dealer installed at the customers request. I cant say for sure which countries got what, but this is my understanding.

Looking at my pictures, my logos for the upper may be slightly bigger than yours (???), no idea which size is correct though, not that it matters much. the upside is that may make yours easier to apply. For what its worth Id put my money on your logos being the correct size.
Thanks for the recipe since I will probable mix up my own decal application spray when the Rapid Tac bottle runs out.

It’s interesting you brought up the tobacco decal topic here because the same explanation came up on the FB group too.

I rely on several old brochure pictures and some set of pictures from known “unrestored” original bikes to get me close with all the details surrounding this bike. I’m not building a museum piece, just a reasonable facsimile really.

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I think my oval Rothmans decal looks very similar in size to the one shown above. But like you imply, various countries may have gotten slightly different things. I just don’t know enough about these bikes yet to be certain. Every week I learn something new!
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#287 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Thu Jun 16, 2022 9:24 pm

Service C1.12 - Body - Apply Rothmans decal Set...

There was a note in the decal kit instructions concerning the decals with the clear mask on them. It warned about the mask been rather hard to remove. Well, they weren’t kidding! I thought I was going to ruin these but managed to get them off with a little patience.

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Once removed from the backing and mask, the lock label went on easy.

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For the fuel valve decal, I found it easier to place it with the center cut out.

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Then I could center it on the opening without it interfering with the valve knob.

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The end result didn’t match my aftermarket fuel valve perfectly because I positioned it slightly counter-clockwise so the “RES” label didn’t fall off the edge of the panel. Also note that I still need to reposition the knob on the valve to have it match its new label. While I’m doing this, I also plan to cover up the original embossed labels on the valve plate so there is no confusion.

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I’ll leave you with a couple shots of progress up to this point.

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C1.12 Total Cost: US$0.00 [Decals from decal kit]
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#288 Post by Straycat » Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:09 pm

Lookin' good !
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#289 Post by Yellow and Black RZ » Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:28 am

So nice! Well done.

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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#290 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:24 pm

Straycat wrote: Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:09 pm Lookin' good !
Yellow and Black RZ wrote: Fri Jun 17, 2022 9:28 am So nice! Well done.
Thanks guys!! With each decal, the vision gets closer and closer!
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#291 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Tue Jun 21, 2022 4:39 pm

Service C1.12 - Body - Apply Rothmans decal Set...

Some big decals are next, and the contours of the right side bodywork will add to the complexity.

If you look closely at these two sets of stacked decals, you will notice that the bottom has been lined up horizontally so their centerlines match. But the top set has the Honda positioned under the “othman” of the decal above and this is what all my sources show to be “proper”, so that is how they are going on.

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As always, I tape them in general position to get a feel of where they are going.

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I applied this decal free of front masking and rear backing, but here it is with just the front masking removed.

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I used pointers to indicate the corners of the actual decal perimeter to guide me as I slid it around.

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The right side was a little trickier with its stepped surface.

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The decals from different angles.

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C1.12 Total Cost: US$0.00 [Decals from decal kit]
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#292 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:04 am

Service C1.12 - Body - Apply Rothmans decal Set...

Next were the large HONDA decals.

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Due to the “A” having just a tiny bridge to the rest, I decided to leave the front masking on, thus keeping the decal aligned. Here the backing had been peeled off and the decal misted down with application liquid.

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On it went, aligning with the tape pointers.

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Because you can’t really see any air bubbles that may be trapped, I was extra thorough working the liquid out before peeling the mask off.

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Success!

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The other side was a bit harder.

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Not only does the bodywork have a step in it, it hits the decal at an angle.

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Live and learn. I started by laying down the “H” and tried to work my way from there and I consider that a mistake as you can see by the closer proximity of the “A” at the other end. That step in the bodywork played havoc with me. I probably should have a marked a horizontal reference for the “N” and worked out to each side from there. I probably could have persuaded the decal around a little better.

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The bright side is, it’s not as noticeable when you step away from the bike and view it from different angles. My OCD can live with this!

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C1.12 Total Cost: US$0.00 [Decals part of kit purchased earlier]
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#293 Post by Straycat » Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:53 am

Looks good, Your patient.

When I do the decals, I have to do them all in the same day, Its one of my favourite parts f the resto process and I usually cant wait to see them all installed.

Drives me nuts when I have to wait a week to put tank decals on then go and re- clear it.
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#294 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Thu Jun 30, 2022 7:40 am

Straycat wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 8:53 am Looks good, Your patient.

When I do the decals, I have to do them all in the same day, Its one of my favourite parts f the resto process and I usually cant wait to see them all installed.

Drives me nuts when I have to wait a week to put tank decals on then go and re- clear it.
Thanks. The truth is, it took two different days on consecutive weekends to apply all the decals. It was very satisfying to see the progress as it happened, but it was very stressful at the same time because I'm an amateur at this and I also had to research each decals placement.

Now I'm simply catching the readers up with the story here on the forum. I would love to be reporting this stuff real-time, but the reality is, it takes me quite a bit of time to sort through all the pictures and select the ones that "make the cut", write a somewhat flowing story about them with detail I think is important, upload pictures and create links, post it to the forum, and finally update the Task List. I like doing it all because I get to re-live it all any time I want by just re-reading this thread. And by replaying it all in my head as I'm writing the story, it also helps to identify mistakes (and hopefully learn from them!).

In the end, I want to have a thread that anyone dropping in to for the first time can make sense out of, whether it's while I'm still working on the bike (which will likely be as long as I own it! LOL) or years after I sold it.
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#295 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Wed Jul 06, 2022 8:09 am

Service C1.12 - Body - Apply Rothmans decal Set...

It was time for a small simple decal. But something so simple as this fender decal can still require some time to locate.

Here is the decal.

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And with masking removed.

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Some tape held it in place as I measured to make sure it was centered.

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These same pieces of tape acted as pointers to help align the wet decal.

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The actual application was a piece of cake.

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Here are some finished shots.

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C1.12 Total Cost: US$0.00 [Decals from decal kit]
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#296 Post by Smoker » Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:07 am

Still enjoying this thread very much.

Will be great to see the finished bike, but I'll be sad when the work ends.

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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#297 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:24 pm

Smoker wrote: Wed Jul 06, 2022 11:07 am Still enjoying this thread very much.

Will be great to see the finished bike, but I'll be sad when the work ends.
Thanks!

This one is moving along a lot faster than the RZ500 did, but there is still lots to do.
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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#298 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Thu Jul 07, 2022 6:41 pm

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Service C1.12 - Body - Apply Rothmans decal Set...

The decals are getting even smaller! These particular ones guide you to hand hold brackets that keep you from tearing off side panels when the bike is lifted onto a rear stand. They also point to locations of the rear tie-down loops.

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A single tape pointer was used to align with the red triangle.

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The blue background disappears once installed.

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One side done.

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The process was repeated on the other side.

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Here is an under tail view showing the grip and tie-down loop that is incorporated into one bolt-on bracket.

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C1.12 Total Cost: US$0.00 [Decals from decal kit]
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
'72 H1-500/'75 H1-500/'85 RZ350/'85 NS400R/'01 DR650/'07 FJR1300/'18 Tiger 1200

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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#299 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Fri Jul 08, 2022 5:18 pm

Service C1.12 - Body - Apply Rothmans decal Set...

I’ll pause here to offer up some photos of the finished decal job (minus the big “Rothmans” decals).

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C1.12 Total Cost: US$0.00
Project bike links: NS400R - TRIPLE THREAT // RZ500 - MOSQUITO CONTROL BIKE // RZ350 - REVIVAL
'72 H1-500/'75 H1-500/'85 RZ350/'85 NS400R/'01 DR650/'07 FJR1300/'18 Tiger 1200

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Re: Operation: TRIPLE THREAT - 1985 NS400R Rothmans Project

#300 Post by rz500guytexas » Sat Jul 09, 2022 1:28 pm

You know Rossi use to put all his decals on his bikes. I think it was a mental relaxation for him. Go out at night when no one was around. Sure miss him.

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