O-Ring mod for $100ish USD - hope it works

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O-Ring mod for $100ish USD - hope it works

#1 Post by motosapien » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:04 pm

Earlier this year I started restoring my RZ350, and opted for a +4 wicked stroker with 795series wiseco pistons. After mocking it up, the piston was sticking out about 2mm at the top, and first thing that came to my mind was wicked head. But then I was running low on funds so this encouraged me to scout for machining help.
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Also I did not want to use the spacer plate the the bottom as I had matched the ports with no plans of using them. Then I got some help from a friend as I am not good in cad software to come up with this
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After a long search my friend Rick Lance suggested me to check with Eric Gorr and shared his contact http://www.eric-gorr.com. After speaking with Eric Gorr I sent the head and the drawings, got them back in the mail today and they look perfect.
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The O-ring groove details are 69mm-74mm id and od, The groove dimensions are 1.5mm deep and 2.5mm wide.
The o-ring specs can be calculated using this https://oringcalculator.eriksgroup.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
and the link for o-ring I bought is https://www.mcmaster.com/#1295N274" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Cost breakdown
Head mod and oring - $70
Logistics - $20
O-rings - $8.82 + $5 shipping
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#2 Post by motosapien » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:08 pm

not sure why the last pic of the head is not loading in the previous post...so I have attached here again
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#3 Post by motosapien » Thu Mar 23, 2017 8:10 pm

Also I am no tuner, the head design is similar to what is discussed here on the board in many many posts.
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#4 Post by RuZty » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:47 pm

Nicely done. I can see the last pic in your first post, but not the second one, no matter how many times I reload the page. It is visible if I right click and open in a new tab, definitely something screwy going on here with attached pics.

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#5 Post by motosapien » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:49 pm

Glad that they are visible.
Hope the head works on my motor
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#6 Post by slinger » Thu Mar 23, 2017 9:53 pm

Expect it to go boom...the land from o-ring to chamber is super small. Good luck with that one, best 100 bucks you spent right.

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#7 Post by motosapien » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:08 pm

slinger wrote:Expect it to go boom...the land from o-ring to chamber is super small. Good luck with that one, best 100 bucks you spent right.
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#8 Post by motosapien » Thu Mar 23, 2017 10:43 pm

slinger wrote:Expect it to go boom...the land from o-ring to chamber is super small. Good luck with that one, best 100 bucks you spent right.
BTW what is the safe width of the land?
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#9 Post by MK » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:12 am

You use a 70x2 ring and a groove with 0.5 mm “play“ at the inside diameter.
I agree that the bridge width may be a bit too low and I have seen heads with that small bridges broken.
It'll work for a limited time depending on the loads. It's not unlikely that it'll survive normal road use for pretty long.

I use 71x2 with basically no play (1 or 2 10'th) and up to now that works in several RD's.
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#10 Post by slinger » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:31 am

I wasn't joking about the $100 that is crazy cheap for the machining work!!!!! I don't know what the width is when I did them I never measured them, I know the first one I did broke in that area.
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#11 Post by slinger » Fri Mar 24, 2017 8:40 am

Personally I would fill the o-ring groove with resin and get the cylinders o-ringed, or your be buying new pistons and rebuilding the engine when it brakes.

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#12 Post by motosapien » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:11 am

The width of the land is 2mm
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#13 Post by JanBros » Sat Mar 25, 2017 8:30 am

for my KR1 I once "emptied" an original head and adjusted it so I could put in changeable inserts.

http://www.kr-1s.co.uk/forum/viewtopic. ... ad+inserts" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

sadly outer edges arround the big O-rings for the water were too thin and started cracking, so went full-out and designed a CNC head.
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#14 Post by hondaror » Fri May 19, 2017 6:05 pm

So what was the solution here? Scrapped head?
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#15 Post by motosapien » Sun May 21, 2017 9:13 pm

hondaror wrote:So what was the solution here? Scrapped head?
Rework
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