Caliper Seals, can you buy them alone or only with Pistons

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Caliper Seals, can you buy them alone or only with Pistons

#1 Post by Redline Junkie » Mon May 19, 2014 7:29 pm

HI Guys

I have an 85' F with the opposing pistons Calipers and wanted to rebuild them. Can I buy just the seals only or do they only come in a kit with the piston?

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#2 Post by 2smoke » Mon May 19, 2014 8:56 pm

I have been thru this.
We are talking about Canadian variable-dampener sticker forks here folks.
You can get seals by themselves.
51L-W0047-11 is one set. One set will do one caliper only(both pistons)

The number for the pads is 3TJ-W0046-00 for 1 set which will do 1 caliper only.
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#3 Post by Redline Junkie » Mon May 19, 2014 9:03 pm

Yes Variable Dampener forks, good news if that is the case. Thanks
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#4 Post by JonW » Mon May 19, 2014 10:27 pm

yes and Yamaha OEM parts come with everything you need for sub $10 IIRC, including grease!
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#5 Post by ZedSledder » Mon Jul 28, 2014 1:27 pm

When I tried to source just the seals from Yamaha they were asking $65 per kit! They couldn't tell me if it would do one caliper or one piston. The Yamaha dealer then emailed me a link to the US 85 model which is totally different. I finally gave up on them as they are clueless.
I put in Yambits seals and one is weeping and I'm sure its because I didn't get all the crystals out of the groove.
On a plus I did put in two brand new yambits pistons in and they work great and are very affordable.
I finally bought a second front brake set up off ebay for 50$ just to get the rattle springs, shims and brake pad pins all of which are inpossible to find or you have deal with a clueless Yamaha parts guy.
Shoulda just gone with the triumphs. No regrets though as it was good times restoring.
My leaking one might also be from carrosion on the piston so I'm hopeing there is a clean one in the second set up I bought.
But seriously ,$65 bucks?
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#6 Post by JonW » Mon Jul 28, 2014 8:53 pm

Ok... this has been bugging me....

Boats.net list the seal kit mentioned above at $36, its the first link in Google :/ So tell your local dealer to take a hike or cut you a deal... or order a few more parts from boats/partzilla and spread the postage on the order that way, the seal kit would be 40ish then.

http://www.boats.net/parts/detail/yamah ... 11-00.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

But.... thats still way more than I paid for my kit.....

So... This topic has interested me for a long time as I didnt pay 65 bucks for my seal kit, I didnt even pay 36, I paid sub $10... Ive been right through all my orders and finally found the trail so that someone else who wants to take a punt can have a go as this, it worked for me....

I ordered this kit: 26H-W0047-00-00 (it was $6.78 in 2011 and now it is $7.94) from what is now Partzilla. While it shows the wrong rear caliper in the pics on the fiche for the (non usa) 85-on calipers, it was the correct set of seals for the one on my 85 (same as the 86 on). The rear is the same as the later front calipers on those bikes, all parts are interchangeable, just orientation of the bleed nipples is different.

The OEM seal kit even came with grease. My rear brake restore is half way down this page: http://2smoked.com/Yamaha_1985_RZ350_YP ... ation.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; - Sadly there is no pic of the packaging of the seals, sorry...

What happened now I look at the email order trail is that after I ordered the parts numbers become superceded to, 4XV-W0047-50-00 which is of course an R1 part.

So, are the early and late RZ brakes the same in the size and shape of the seals and pistons I wonder? And if so then it seems they used the same seals/pistons on the R1 rear caliper as well. That would account for the superceed of the part numbers...

My rear brake works perfectly, the seals were no harder to fit than any others Ive done, the kit was correct for what I wanted. And it was cheap as chips...

And yes, it did one caliper, seals, wipers and grease. $8...
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#7 Post by ZedSledder » Mon Jul 28, 2014 11:51 pm

Sorry to bug you on that Jon. Thanks for the info and the leg work. The Canadian dealers only keep info on 1989 and newer models for some reason. For older models as a default the seem to find the US numbers and go from there, which we know is incorrect. The superceded part number appears to go from 51L-w0047-00 to 51L-w0047-11-00.

I managed to get a pirated parts catalog for the F1, and thats what I based my query on. The Yamaha dealer is 200km away so my only recourse is to go visit them in person with my catalog and ask for the oldest guy there. They're good guys they just don't care about 30 year old bikes like we do. So basicaly they think I'm crazy which I probably am ,and are convinced I need the 43mm spaced caliper parts. the only reference I have to what is really going on with these calipers is in my factory service manual where its clear the front calipers are two pot. I can"t imagine the pussy footing they would do if I brought the bike in and said "here you go, please change my brake seals". I'd get charged for every second of their time.

Economy sells the kit for $50 USD. But again the shipping is $30. I reckon if the diameters were the same they would just sell me two of the older seal kits. In the end I might just do a larger order through them. When I tried to buy $8 Helix fuel line it was $30 to ship.

Anyways did you keep the little shims in your brakes? Also did you have to find brake pad pins? My pins had grooves in them, keeping the pads from freely sliding. Got lucky and the pins in my ebay purchase were good, good, good. There is a UK company called Wemoto that sells the pins at $20 a set. $60 all around. Wow.I have not used them, but they have stuff. Even says they have after market stators for the F1. I'll have to figure how to post links on here. And stop doing this on my cell phone. going cross eyed. I'll post a photo of the reference I used.

If I can get seals for $8 I'll give it a shot. its worth a try. I already screwed up at least one set of seals, so its good I practiced on cheaper after market ones. R1 seals is the one I'll ask them about. I'm going in with my manual to follow up For Sure, Jack asses won"t brush me off that easily. Although it is a fact some of the paint jobs on the showroom are worth more than all my bikes. They are also the only KTM dealers around and they now own Husqvarna ,which is the other parts I need. Trust me, another freak show that makes Yamaha look golden. Don't get me started. long story short... If I order Husky parts from the Canadian Husky shop they charge me to ship from US,Italy, or where ever. Charge me GST and then Charge me again to ship it to my house in BF nowhere and of course GST again. Same part from Halls Cycle Parts in the States, I pay shipping once, From Illinoise to BC. It can be up to half the cost. In BC the dealer still charges me the $30 shipping from the states their shop, and then charges me shipping again to my house.
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#8 Post by JonW » Tue Jul 29, 2014 12:09 am

I just had a look and Partzilla have now upped their postage rates which is a shame. What it means tho is that you can buy a bunch of more stuff than you did and the post doesnt go up much more now. I admit I played the old system, id spend $60 on parts for an $18 ship to Aus... if bought over 100 it was $40 so Id buy two lots of 60 LOL.

I reused my pins (dont think I fitted the shims but it was a long time back now, sorry), I had enough of the things at the time that I had spares, Ive given or sold them all bar one set of fronts now, those are the originals off my F1. Norbo does pins i think?

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#9 Post by ZedSledder » Tue Jul 29, 2014 11:58 am

Yep, brakes are messy and expensive. But, hey first things first, gotta make sure you can stop first before you go. Thanks for the direction, just scrolling through your F1 blog as we speak. Cheers.
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#10 Post by JonW » Tue Jul 29, 2014 6:46 pm

no worries Zed, I just hate seeing people pay over the odds for parts if ive found a deal.
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#11 Post by Zedixe13 » Tue Jul 29, 2014 9:10 pm

ZedSledder wrote: I finally bought a second front brake set up off ebay for 50$ just to get the rattle springs, shims and brake pad pins all of which are inpossible to find or you have deal with a clueless Yamaha parts guy.
You should have asked , I have boxes full of brake parts doing nothing , RD400 , LC , RZ350 and 500.

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#12 Post by ZedSledder » Wed Jul 30, 2014 1:43 pm

True on that,thanks for pointing it out. I'll ask next time first. Evil ebay, you see something and push the buy button. WTB is your friend.
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