kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#451 Post by kobra » Sun Nov 24, 2019 10:57 pm

Thanks guys. Yes, a HUGE relief when it first fired right up. Though I was also very nervous and hoping I didn't miss anything...

The bike runs awesome. I have already put 300 miles on it and it is just flawless. I broke it in very gently with a bit of idling, a cool down, and then very gentle riding. Just today I wound it out for the first time at around 275 miles. Here are some random thoughts:
1. The motor is great. It pulls strong to redline in a surprisingly linear fashion, with a noticeable pickup at 7k RPM. It doesn't like to dip below 3000RPM. I would estimate the motor in the 55hp range just based on other bikes I've ridden.
2. As the front end gets light it gets kinda wobbly around 90mph. But I can tell this bike is made for the mid-speed corners where the light weight and nimble handling make it INCREDIBLE.
3. I am very surprised that it somehow gets 44mpg. That means I should have a max range of almost 200 miles, though I don't think I'll try testing that.
4. As a 6 foot tall person, it fits me just fine. Thank goodness. I was able to ride for 4 hours with no knee or neck issues.
5. I measured the compression tonight to get a baseline. Warm I measured exactly 120psi in both cylinders. Should I be running 87, 89, or 91 gas?
6. I have a rattle noise that I am 99% sure is coming from the carbs. It's not audible at idle or while riding at higher throttle openings, however it is while putting around at low RPM or lightly revving at a stop. Using a screwdriver 'stethoscope' I was able to pinpoint it to primarily the left carb. I was worried it was the pistons or something but they actually sound okay. The reed valves make a very consistent tapping noise. But this rattle coming from the carbs sounds like something is loose and rattling around. Anyone ever have that?
7. I have gotten 4 or 5 false neutrals between 5th and 6th. It doesn't pop out of gear, but it likes to get hung up between them and requires a positive shift. If I am shifting lazy, it will fall between gears there. All other gears are fine. Might try a different oil.
8. The jetting seems to be perfect as far as I can tell. It does get a slight lean pop during ~5% throttle so I might try turning in the air screws 1/8 or 1/4 turn (currently 1-1/4 turns out). The top end feels smooth to redline with no hiccups, surging, bogging, etc. This is running stock carbs with 250 main jet, stock air box with baffle and snorkel removed, uni foam filter, DG pipes.
9. The suspension balance of the bike was a bit off when I first rode it. A bit too twitchy and divey. I added 12psi of air to the fork legs and it is great now. I believe the previous owner swapped fork springs because they are linear rate (not progressive wound). The stock shock with slightly stiffer spring is just okay. It has almost no compression damping so it's easy to blow through travel or to feel squatty on the gas. Yet somehow this doesn't stop the bike from being extremely capable in the twisties. I still can't really believe it.
10. Last, but not least, I can't thank you guys enough for the continued support in the form of knowledge and encouragement. It was all worth it in the end.

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#452 Post by RuZty » Sun Nov 24, 2019 11:31 pm

The bike looks great, well done. I have found the random 5/6 mystery neutral many times in the 22 years I've owned mine, usually when I am not shifting with enough committment, and usually at higher revs. I'm 6'1" and until my hip started to bother me lately I could go through a couple of tanks of gas with no major discomfort.

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#453 Post by brrrappp » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:19 am

i'm assuming the false neutral is during up-shift. If so, you could try adjusting the shit lever down a little so your ankle has better leverage pulling up.

I've used a few different tranny oils-(BelRay. Spectro 10w30 Clutch saver, Yamalube, and Silkolene) and my favorite is the Bel Ray GearSaver 80w gear oil. They used to call it 80w "light viscosity" GearSaver. I find the up-shifting to be smoother and downshifts are slightly quieter with this oil.

You want an oil made for the gearbox of a two-stroke MX bike. It's a different additive package from regular motorcycle oils since your oil is not lubricating pistons, cams, and crank bearings.

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#454 Post by kobra » Mon Nov 25, 2019 1:40 am

Yep, during upshifts only. I will try angling the lever a tad more, good idea. And thanks for the tip on the gear oil. I will give that a shot!
It's not a huge deal but worth checking out. I used to get this false neutral between 5th and 6th on my old Ducati when downshifting. Eventually it just went away as the miles added up.

Speaking of miles... how often before I need to consider top end maintenance? Just check compression every so often?

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#455 Post by kobra » Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:42 am

Oh, I almost forgot. Who wants to guess how much this project ended up costing? I kept a log of every cost including registration, parts, materials, tax, etc. Obviously not the labor because that would be depressing.

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#456 Post by TwoStrokeNut » Mon Nov 25, 2019 8:50 am

kobra wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2019 4:42 am Oh, I almost forgot. Who wants to guess how much this project ended up costing? I kept a log of every cost including registration, parts, materials, tax, etc. Obviously not the labor because that would be depressing.
Including labor... about ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!!

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#457 Post by brrrappp » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:32 am

Top end replacement interval for non-racing street use: my guess is 20,000 miles is probably a nice round number.

When I took mine apart at 7000 miles it was like new.
Jetting, fuel quality and engine load will have an impact of how much carbon deposits you get. I think Yamaha has some recommendations on decarbonizing the head, piston tops and power-valve at about 4000 miles.

They don't seem to have a millage number for piston/ring replacement. I guess they assume you would tear-down and measure it if you experience a power drop or rattle noise.
One note of interest:
On my air-cooled MX bikes I did replace top ends all the time at about 20 hours of hard riding. When the liquid cooled MX bikes came out the pistons and rings would last all year at 20:1 or 32:1 mix ratios. The piston would have a chrome-like finish on the sides when torn down.
At 50:1 fuel mix I would have indications of blow-down and discoloration on the exhaust side.
Because of that experience, I run 20:1 - 24:1 in my Pro-circuit ported KX 250 2-Stroke MX with vp C-12 fuel. I went to 17 events racing 3 classes and an entire season of practice in-between events on one top end.

My point is simple: With Clean air, good fuel, and lubrication the engine probably won't need to have top end parts replaced for a very long time.

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#458 Post by Ricino » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:39 pm

Congrats Kobra for all that constance and excellence leading to this enjoyable result.
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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#459 Post by tacky1 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 7:10 pm

Looks class, It came out absolutely perfect.

As for cost!! I never keep a tab, It would scare me :P
1985 RZv500
1984 RZ500 Hybrid
1986 RG500 Walter Wolf
1986 RG500 Skoal Bandit
1984 RZ350
1984 RZ350 Hybrid
1981 RD350LC
1981 RD350LC Hybrid
2009 CR500AF Supermoto 250X
2007 CR500AF 250X
1988 YSR50 (2)
1984 GPZ750 Turbo
1989 VFR750R RC30

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#460 Post by kpke » Tue Nov 26, 2019 12:23 am

Looks fantastic kobra. Sounds like it may be a keeper. It sure is a looker. You will get lots of attention on that bike.

2. Fork brace may help a bit at 90 plus. :smt018

3. I get about 30 -33 mpg on the thrasher bike with VM30's and foam pods. 44 may go down as you ride it more and rev the pee out of it all the time.

5. 91

6. Hope you get to the bottom of that one.

7. Like others said, this happens to me once in a while also and I would attribute it to "lazy shifting" going in to 6th.

8. Did the plugs look OK when you pulled them for the compression test?

9. You will figure out the suspension because you are smart.

Enjoy the RZ. You do great work and that is a beautiful "restoration".

Oh, I noticed the blue tape gravel shield. I run the black duct tape gravel shield on the 500.

Missing blinkers?

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#461 Post by kobra » Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:29 am

Thanks :) Already lots of attention. Is there a bike that attracts girls instead though?

Plugs looked a bit oily and brown. I bet it could be leaned out slightly but I am playing it safe. Piston is nice and clean, no discoloration. Coolant temps stayed in the middle plus or minus a 10% for all the riding. It's not fouling plugs and runs smooth so I will leave it. The power seems plenty for the current chassis setup.

Haha, nice catch on the blue tape. I will eventually put some clear film.

I have blinkers just haven't installed them. Wanted to get out before it rained so badly. Mission accomplished.

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#462 Post by kpke » Tue Nov 26, 2019 11:24 am

kobra wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:29 am Thanks :) Already lots of attention. Is there a bike that attracts girls instead though?
Get a Gold Wing. You'll have 200 lb babes all over you and your bike. :smt045

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#463 Post by brrrappp » Wed Nov 27, 2019 5:01 pm

kobra wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 1:29 am Thanks :) Already lots of attention. Is there a bike that attracts girls instead though?

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In the 80's and 90's girls at the beach used to jump on the back of my 4-stroke sport bikes without even asking while I was dog paddling in traffic on the strip. :smt040
Not even once did a girl jump on the back of the RZ350!
When I took the RZ down there, all the guys wanted to race with me but the girls acted like I had cooties!

These days, you'd probably have better luck with a Grom.

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#464 Post by kobra » Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:10 pm

Small update:
I have isolated the vibration noise to the throttle linkage. If I stick my finger in there and touch it, it goes away completely. The slides themselves are fine. The weird thing is, it doesn't feel particularly loose though it does have some side-to-side play between the two carbs. At least I know it's nothing serious! Next time I have it apart I will look into it.

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Re: kobra's 1985 RZ350NC2 basket case restoration

#465 Post by p51mustang » Mon May 04, 2020 11:00 am

to much work for me don't have that kind of time here looks good
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